Trevor Batt

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    Following on from our news bulletin last week on boiler flues in high-rise dwellings, which relates to the ban on the use of combustible materials in the external walls of such dwellings (>18m), we have been made aware of the following details from MHCLG on the subject:

    MHCLG has received a large number of enquiries on the subject including many from local authorities and in the interim, local authorities should consider if they may be able to utilise Section 8 of the Building Act to potentially relax requirements of the regulations on a case by case basis where it is considered that the requirements would be unreasonable in a particular circumstance.

    It may be possible that gas boilers with plastic flue components could be considered in particular cases where the local authority is satisfied that the fire risk to the building is very low and alternative heating solutions would result in unreasonable hardship for consumers. Local Authorities must be reminded that any building work should not compromise wider building safety.

    Links to the relevant information can be found below:

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/55/section/8

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/2214/regulation/11

    Whilst the information above may only apply to council or local authority work due to Section 8 of the Building Act, discussions continue and MHCLG and the Government are listening to concerns raised.

    If you have any specific questions or comments on this topic, please do post them in the forum of your member website where you will find a discussion thread on this topic.


    Trevor Batt
    Moderator

    Following on from our news bulletin last week on boiler flues in high-rise dwellings, which relates to the ban on the use of combustible materials in the external walls of such dwellings (>18m), we have been made aware of the following details from MHCLG on the subject:

    MHCLG has received a large number of enquiries on the subject including many from local authorities and in the interim, local authorities should consider if they may be able to utilise Section 8 of the Building Act to potentially relax requirements of the regulations on a case by case basis where it is considered that the requirements would be unreasonable in a particular circumstance.

    It may be possible that gas boilers with plastic flue components could be considered in particular cases where the local authority is satisfied that the fire risk to the building is very low and alternative heating solutions would result in unreasonable hardship for consumers. Local Authorities must be reminded that any building work should not compromise wider building safety.

    Links to the relevant information can be found below:

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/55/section/8

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/2214/regulation/11

    Whilst the information above may only apply to council or local authority work due to Section 8 of the Building Act, discussions continue and MHCLG and the Government are listening to concerns raised.

    If you have any specific questions or comments on this topic, please do post them in the forum of your member website where you will find a discussion thread on this topic.

    in reply to: LGSR access procedure #9112

    Trevor Batt
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    Alan

    From experience working with a number of RSLs that is at the top end of number of the number of visits across the sector. There is no stipulated level of calls or visits, you would just have to show you took “reasonable steps” to try and gain entry to carry out the service.

    As an average I would say there would be two contractor attempts and then two further letters from the landlord. Interspersed in the process would be phone calls and visits from landlord staff that should all be recorded.

    I am sure others will be able to give you specifics of their processes as opposed to my overview.

    Hope that helps

    Trevor


    Trevor Batt
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    Lloyd

    Problems with smart meters installers continues to be an issued raised at the forums, we had a question only last week at the Birmingham event regarding smart meters fitters turning off gas installation due to a broken clip on the pipe and other because there was a dark stain above a flue.

    We did meet with an MP (sorry cant remember which one I wasn’t there) last year regarding the smart meter programme and how RSLs could help but received little commitment.

    We may need to pick this issue up again, sorry to have no answers but you are not alone in having this problem.

    in reply to: Cp1 form #8755

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    Steve

    The content of the CP1 form and the CP12 form are virtually identical so either is fine from a technical information point of view.

    If it is a new installation you are not required under the GSR 1998 to have an landlord gas safety record (CP12) for the first 12 months so that would not be a problem.

    Peter’s comment is very valid in that using the same form all the time helps internal staff but the choice is yours.


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    Peter

    In my experience Clients have used “distraction” techniques to make sure the tenants are not just dismissing the letters because they are from the Council and obviously this suggests they are about the rent arrears:

    1) Use a different type of envelope, different colour, no window, different size, different shape etc
    2) Use a postcard with a picture of a gas explosion aftermath on the front and a simple short message on the back
    3) Mark the envelope with a banner stating “This concerns your safety”, “Urgent Gas Safety”, “Gas Safety Information” or such like to grab the attention

    Hope this helps

    Trevor

    in reply to: Mobile working #7535

    Trevor Batt
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    Antony, thanks for that, always great to get real world experience to help others.

    Trevor


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    Dan

    Through the discussions at forums I am aware that there are organisations that do use this route but unfortunately I cannot remember who the organisations were. Hopefully they will reply and let you know.

    Trevor


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    Nolan

    There is no specific gas legislation that covers mutual exchanges however it is covered by Section 3 of the Health & Safety at Work Act.

    In my opinion doing a safety check “just before” the tenant moves out leaves you at risk if you are not capping the gas supply, what if the tenant moves out and takes their cooker with them and leaves an open ended gas pipe in the property?

    Yes I would suggest you need to look at it differently.


    Trevor Batt
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    Nolan

    This is one the areas that we at CORGI find organizations are exposed to the greatest risk due to lack of safety checks within the mutual exchange process.

    I always view a mutual exchange as two voids that occur at the same time and advise that the gas work carried out at mutual exchange should be the same that is carried out at a void to ensure the safety of the tenants.

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